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Today, I found myself in the unique (for me) position of not being able to express a thought without using the word "whuffie"

("She's lost some whuffie in my books, but this is my shit, not yours.")

Would I have been able to express that thought adequately before reading Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom? (which I read 2 years ago, at least) or would it have been one of those thoughts that went inadequately articulated? Has my vocabulary grown, or merely changed/limited?

on 2009-10-14 06:11 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] squid-pants.livejournal.com
Esteem seems to work better than that word.
It's like people using grok instead of understand. You've just substituted in a symbol from pop culture to try and confuse the norms or smoke out some people who shared in your pop culture experience. Nothing extra has been brought to the table directly, but indirectly you're trying to share a cultural artifact you really enjoyed. Wasted on someone like me who is very unlikely to read that book in the next decade, but might bring some enjoyment to someone else.

To me it just seems like he found a way to make you into a shill for his book though ;)

on 2009-10-14 06:26 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] mightydoll.livejournal.com
If esteem had occurred to me first, it totally would have sufficed, however, to me, esteem doesn't adequately express the concept of currency, or of having spent some of the limited amount of trust/respect that this person has previously earned.

I don't know this person very well (really, at all) but people I respect respect her, earning her some reflected esteem, which has been spent by something she did recently (in my estimation of that action, though not necessarily in everyone's). She'll need to earn more currency with me before I'll be back where I was a couple weeks ago (tentative trust/esteem).

What I'm getting at is that it's not just esteem she's lost, but something more spendable.

You and I have talked about "grok" before, too, and I see a difference between understanding and "grokking". That difference is with sympathy and/or empathy with the situation. Understanding is intellectual, sympathy/empathy is emotional, "grok" is meant to be the intersection of the two.

on 2009-10-14 06:29 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] mightydoll.livejournal.com
oh, another way in which "whuffie" differs from esteem: It's transferable, which is, in this case, vital, since we're talking about someone I mainly know by reputation.

on 2009-10-14 06:30 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] squid-pants.livejournal.com
My definition of esteem has all those attributes.

on 2009-10-14 07:55 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] papertowlbtrfly.livejournal.com
lol! That's the first I've heard of it. tee hee, why does it not surprise me that Cory Doctrow's future is a big popularity contest;)

on 2009-10-16 09:35 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] mightydoll.livejournal.com
LOL!

too true

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